Comments on The Overland Examiner: Council Workshop Meeting 7/3/2007

Goodwyn I have been mistaken before and whe...

2007-07-09T22:26:00.000-05:00

Goodwyn I have been mistaken before and when I was I posted about it. However, I find it to be rather unnecessary to correct speculation that was clearly presented as speculation, which was the bulk of those posts.

Mr. Schneider won because the Plaintiffs Lawyers we unsuccessful in establishing the delinquency in context of the statute, there was no mistake involved, they tried but the judge did not agree.

The statute says that you cannot be delinquent in your taxes on the last day you can file to run for office. Well, according to the Department of Revenue and their records he was not delinquent on that date. They did determine he was delinquent when this issue came up and issued a bill to that effect which he paid.

Councilperson Conlon's petition was neither a "dirty trick" nor factually inaccurate on the practical level. Where the petition failed was on the legal language level, which we all know is rarely practical.

I had issues with this action being taken without contacting Councilperson Schneider first. I also have an issue with Councilperson Schneider calling this suit a "dirty trick" and using it in his campaign when there was a legitimate issue involved. As I see it, this case was a looser for both of these candidates.

As for the speculative discussions we had prior to the case applied, I disagree. Obviously the statutes and issues we raised with them applied. Also, the response from the DOR to my questions was strangely matter of fact and practical by comparison to the DOR in the courtroom. I guess the rules are simple until the lawyers and the courts get involved then everyone circles the wagon.

Whatever you issue is with me my friend it is up to you to resolve it. I am not likely to change how I approach the issues or how I present information here. If your opinion is that the content here is not worth your time then that's your call and I hope you find a source of information more to your liking. If not, well you can always keep reading here if for no other reason that to chastise me as feedback that does not include foul language is always welcome. :-)

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Chuck Boone:
"I can't vote, bu...

2007-07-09T18:52:00.000-05:00

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Chuck Boone:
"I can't vote, but I also can't shut up!"

I did talk to one of my councilmen regarding what ...

2007-07-09T18:31:00.000-05:00

I did talk to one of my councilmen regarding what Mr. Boone suggested.

They agreed it needs to be looked into before anything gets done. They also agreed buying the material before getting a permit was not the smartest way to handle it.

That would make to much sense. Unfortunately ward...

2007-07-09T18:25:00.000-05:00

That would make to much sense. Unfortunately ward 3 is running low in that respect.

Oh lordy! I'm watching this and Ken will argue ov...

2007-07-09T18:05:00.000-05:00

Oh lordy! I'm watching this and Ken will argue over everything! Must he say "black" when everyone else says "white".

And why limit the ward meetings to 2x per year. A quarterly would be better. Of course, it the two council members can work together they can spread them out to be quarterly. But if they can't...

Suzy,

Nothing like wanting to feed them is ...

2007-07-09T08:41:00.000-05:00

Suzy,

Nothing like wanting to feed them is there.

Thanks for the links Sailor. Sounds like your bus...

2007-07-09T08:31:00.000-05:00

Thanks for the links Sailor. Sounds like your busy. The journalist comment was unfair because journalists all over the country publish corrections when they are factually wrong in a story.

You have plenty of speculative content, mostly incorrect though. That is where I thought a journalist could uncover the actual issues under the ruling rather than speculating about possible outcomes.

The only reason that Schneider did not lose the case was due to a mistake by plaintiffs lawyer in not clearly establishing Schneider's tax delinquency as a matter of law. His residency is germane only to the question of did he owe taxes.

This fact is not a matter of opinion to the County official testifying which is why he could not answer that question. It is not up to him to determine if someone is delinquent or not which is why he shrugged his shoulders at the question.

So the outcome of the case had little or nothing to do with the issues raised in your previous speculations found in the stories you linked.

Suzy,

This was just 1 of many I have heard ...

2007-07-09T07:57:00.000-05:00

Suzy,

This was just 1 of many I have heard about over the years. They almost make you Not want to improve your home.

I have learned over the years before I start any project I call 1st, one to see if I can do what I want & two if it requires a permit. I can't tell you how many times I've been turned down.

I will not buy anything until I have that permit in hand.

Onelayer,
You make excellent points! And would...

2007-07-09T07:36:00.000-05:00

Onelayer,
You make excellent points! And wouldn't that wood lying around just make perfect hiding places for rats. Talk about acerbating the problem!

Thanks for posting the workshop meeting. I will ha...

2007-07-09T07:34:00.000-05:00

Thanks for posting the workshop meeting. I will have to look at this later today, but thanks to your description I already have a pretty good idea what has happened.

Would like to add an example I just heard about.
2007-07-09T07:11:00.000-05:00
Would like to add an example I just heard about.

Homeowners wanted to put up a cedar privacy fence, it took them just over 3 months to get a permit.

If I'm doing the job, why would I want my material laying around that long & then trying to find a place to store it, until the city got around to getting me a permit that should have only taken a week or two at the most to get.

I might add this couple had everything they needed when requesting one.

Question, you may not be able to answer this. Reg...

2007-07-09T06:36:00.000-05:00

Question, you may not be able to answer this. Regarding what Mr. Boone said about having a contract or materials PURCHASED receipt, before issuing a permit. It is the word purchase that I don't get. Why would I purchase the materials with the possiblity of not getting the permit? I can see bringing in information on what kind & how much those materials would cost, but I would not purchase them until I had the permit in hand. Or am I reading it wrong?

I also agree, that is BS wanting to charge more for the same project based on the material cost.

Actually, if you scroll down you'll find I covered...

2007-07-09T05:19:00.000-05:00

Actually, if you scroll down you'll find I covered the issue here and here when it came up and had some extensive discussion on the matter in the comments.

You'll also find that at one point, a few meetings, the results of the lawsuit, several local events and more did not get covered.

Unfortunately I hit a wall where my new job and a family wedding left me with no time to do anything. I found myself with three obligations and only the time for two. The choices were family, employment and this site. Family should always come first, and of course I have to eat, so the choice was obvious.

The Wedding went off without a hitch and I now have the job under control so it's back to work here at the examiner. I imagine this time crunch issue will arise again in the future but hopefully by then the new version of the site will be online and there will be others beside myself submitting articles for our readers to enjoy.

No coverage of the Conlon v Schneider lawsuit? Wo...

2007-07-08T19:16:00.000-05:00

No coverage of the Conlon v Schneider lawsuit? Wow.

So much for local journalism.