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Saturday, July 07, 2007

Council Workshop Meeting 7/3/2007

The Overland City Council met for a workshop meeting on July 3rd 2007. They covered a host of topics at this meeting. The following video is this meeting in it's entirety:

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July 3rd Workshop Meeting
2 Hours 15 Minutes


The Council discussed an investment policy for the City. The City Auditors have recommended that we develop a policy that would allow the city to purchase CDs and other secure investments to allow the city to earn better interest rates on the money in our accounts. Currently the City's funds are in savings accounts earning minimal interest. It was made clear that the Investment Policy specifically forbids riskier investments such as the stock market and the like.

A local resident spoke of the need for a stop sign at Meadowbrook and S. Milton near Wyland Elementary School. The entire Council seemed to agree that this was necessary for the safety of local children. There was also discussion of adding a street light on Flora Ave. The Council seemed to be in agreement that a light could be installed on the closest utility pole to the area in question.

There was an issue raised about the Council holding events on City property. The idea was to allow Council people to hold "non-political" events that would benefit their wards without having to pay to rent the space. While it would be great if all on the Council would hold regular "ward meetings" to better communicate with the constituents I have to agree with Councilman Owensby on this one. Where do you draw the line and how do you determine what is or is not political here? In light of the recent Ice Cream Social event and all the concerns raised as a result, it seems clear that this would be a recipe for disaster.

There was discussion of inviting local groups and businesses to provide food and drink at the Community Center during our successful Volleyball tournaments, as well as possibly bringing in some vending machines to sell water and sports drinks as a service to visitors as well as a possible revenue source for the city.

The Council was asked to consider donating money to the Ritenour German Band to help with the annual exchange program where Ritenour sends their German band to Germany and their German counterparts visit here. Having had siblings-in-law in the German band in the past my opinion on this issue would be clearly biased. However, one concern I have is that not all of Overland attends Ritenour. Residents south of Page Avenue attend University City public schools. If we do something like this for Ritenour, shouldn't we so the same for U-City as well?

About halfway through the meeting President Pro-Tem May called for a short break. I paused the recording so I could change the batteries on the microphone (which worked fantastically as you can hear in the video above). Unfortunately, the Council chose to continue as Councilperson Keller raised an issue about trash service. I believe I caught the bulk of the discussion on the video but if someone thinks something was missed please let us know in the comments.

The issue raised about trash was that a resident told Councilperson Keller that she was told by Allied Waste that she was limited to 2 bags of trash. To the best of my knowledge our contract is for unlimited trash service. When I cleaned out my garage and basement last year I put out somewhere in the neighborhood of 14 contractor bags of trash an Allied picked it all up without issue. Based on that I have to assume that we do have unlimited pickup. If someone is being told they cannot put all their trash out they should contact Allied Waste with the specific date, time and any identifying information on the truck. If Allied Waste does not satisfactorily address the issue then the resident should contact their Councilperson who could attempt to resolve the issue through the City, and the added weight of City Hall.

Councilman Owensby once again raised the issue that St. Ann residents pay 1/2 of what we do for trash service. We have covered this before. The bottom line is that this is not an apples to apples comparison. St. Ann residents pay a bit under 30 dollars for trash pick up only. If they want recycling it is an additional 15 dollars (which will soon be mandatory in St Louis County so they'll all have to pay it soon) and the remaining 10 dollars or so difference is due to St. Ann picking up the yard waste via their Public Works department rather than having Allied Waste do it. We could start picking up the yard waste ourselves though we would likely have to hire a few more people to handle this and possibly might need another truck as well.

The Council discussed appointing people to the Redevelopment Corporation we are creating to deal with the redevelopment projects on Page and future projects as well. They discussed different ways to approach the appointments though no consensus was found at this meeting.

There was a discussion about the growing rat problem in several areas of Overland. In my own area we do not suffer this problem which is likely due to the small army of stray cats in our area. However, this is a significant problem in several neighborhoods. The Council discussed sending out a letter to all residents to inform them of ways they can combat the issue as well as going out for bids to contract an outside company to come and address the problem and possibly holding a town hall meeting on this and other public health issues as well. The City has rat poison "bait stations" that they freely issue to residents who ask for it. However, a key problem for most residents is that they have outside pets and don't want to use poison for fear of harming their own animals.

Another issue raised was a possible "Responsible Bidder" policy that would require that contractors wishing to do business with Overland have a clean business record, be fully insured and bonded, have a professional training program, and have medical benefits as well as meet the prevailing wage for their employees.

Acting Public Works Director Chuck Boone suggested at the end of the meeting that he would like to move the Health and Rabies officer from the Public Works Department to the Police Department. He explained that the Police Department receives calls about animal issues and the like all the time and this would allow them to contact / dispatch the health and rabies officer. I'm not sure this is necessary. Why can't dispatch contact the Health and Rabies officer regardless of what department he works for? I am concerned and mudding the waters between code enforcement and law enforcement could create issues for our community and residents alike.

Lastly, Chuck Boone asked for the Council to allow him to require a signed contract or a materials purchase receipt before issuing building permits. Currently, if you want to improve your home, the cost of the permit is generally based on the cost of the project. As a result, people tend to "low ball" the figures when applying for the permit. What I don't understand is why the department needs to charge more for the same projects based solely on the cost of that project? If I want to build a 10' x 10' deck out of plastic "lumber" it would cost significantly more that the same deck in pressure treated lumber. The plastic "lumber" deck would be better looking and would remain safe for a much longer time, but the permit would cost more. I don't understand why we would want to penalize people for doing more or better work on their homes. The city to consider a flat rate cost for home improvement building, electrical, plumbing, etc permits. We should be celebrating when people want to put more money into their homes, not penalizing them for it.

Overall the meeting went well, some issues where resolved, others seem to be on their way to being so. Thankfully, professional behavior at these meetings is once again common place, so much so that I won't be mentioning what should be the norm in future articles.

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14 Comments:



At 7:16 PM, July 08, 2007, Blogger Goodwyn Oliver Boyee said...

No coverage of the Conlon v Schneider lawsuit? Wow.

So much for local journalism.

 


At 5:19 AM, July 09, 2007, Blogger Overland Sailor said...

Actually, if you scroll down you'll find I covered the issue here and here when it came up and had some extensive discussion on the matter in the comments.

You'll also find that at one point, a few meetings, the results of the lawsuit, several local events and more did not get covered.

Unfortunately I hit a wall where my new job and a family wedding left me with no time to do anything. I found myself with three obligations and only the time for two. The choices were family, employment and this site. Family should always come first, and of course I have to eat, so the choice was obvious.

The Wedding went off without a hitch and I now have the job under control so it's back to work here at the examiner. I imagine this time crunch issue will arise again in the future but hopefully by then the new version of the site will be online and there will be others beside myself submitting articles for our readers to enjoy.

 


At 6:36 AM, July 09, 2007, Blogger onelayer said...

Question, you may not be able to answer this. Regarding what Mr. Boone said about having a contract or materials PURCHASED receipt, before issuing a permit. It is the word purchase that I don't get. Why would I purchase the materials with the possiblity of not getting the permit? I can see bringing in information on what kind & how much those materials would cost, but I would not purchase them until I had the permit in hand. Or am I reading it wrong?

I also agree, that is BS wanting to charge more for the same project based on the material cost.

 


At 7:11 AM, July 09, 2007, Blogger onelayer said...

Would like to add an example I just heard about.

Homeowners wanted to put up a cedar privacy fence, it took them just over 3 months to get a permit.

If I'm doing the job, why would I want my material laying around that long & then trying to find a place to store it, until the city got around to getting me a permit that should have only taken a week or two at the most to get.

I might add this couple had everything they needed when requesting one.

 


At 7:34 AM, July 09, 2007, Blogger suzyjax said...

Thanks for posting the workshop meeting. I will have to look at this later today, but thanks to your description I already have a pretty good idea what has happened.

 


At 7:36 AM, July 09, 2007, Blogger suzyjax said...

Onelayer,
You make excellent points! And wouldn't that wood lying around just make perfect hiding places for rats. Talk about acerbating the problem!

 


At 7:57 AM, July 09, 2007, Blogger onelayer said...

Suzy,

This was just 1 of many I have heard about over the years. They almost make you Not want to improve your home.

I have learned over the years before I start any project I call 1st, one to see if I can do what I want & two if it requires a permit. I can't tell you how many times I've been turned down.

I will not buy anything until I have that permit in hand.

 


At 8:31 AM, July 09, 2007, Blogger Goodwyn Oliver Boyee said...

Thanks for the links Sailor. Sounds like your busy. The journalist comment was unfair because journalists all over the country publish corrections when they are factually wrong in a story.

You have plenty of speculative content, mostly incorrect though. That is where I thought a journalist could uncover the actual issues under the ruling rather than speculating about possible outcomes.

The only reason that Schneider did not lose the case was due to a mistake by plaintiffs lawyer in not clearly establishing Schneider's tax delinquency as a matter of law. His residency is germane only to the question of did he owe taxes.

This fact is not a matter of opinion to the County official testifying which is why he could not answer that question. It is not up to him to determine if someone is delinquent or not which is why he shrugged his shoulders at the question.

So the outcome of the case had little or nothing to do with the issues raised in your previous speculations found in the stories you linked.

 


At 8:41 AM, July 09, 2007, Blogger onelayer said...

Suzy,

Nothing like wanting to feed them is there.

 


At 6:05 PM, July 09, 2007, Blogger suzyjax said...

Oh lordy! I'm watching this and Ken will argue over everything! Must he say "black" when everyone else says "white".

And why limit the ward meetings to 2x per year. A quarterly would be better. Of course, it the two council members can work together they can spread them out to be quarterly. But if they can't...

 


At 6:25 PM, July 09, 2007, Blogger onelayer said...

That would make to much sense. Unfortunately ward 3 is running low in that respect.

 


At 6:31 PM, July 09, 2007, Blogger onelayer said...

I did talk to one of my councilmen regarding what Mr. Boone suggested.

They agreed it needs to be looked into before anything gets done. They also agreed buying the material before getting a permit was not the smartest way to handle it.

 


At 6:52 PM, July 09, 2007, Blogger suzyjax said...

Quote
Chuck Boone:
"I can't vote, but I also can't shut up!"

 


At 10:26 PM, July 09, 2007, Blogger Overland Sailor said...

Goodwyn I have been mistaken before and when I was I posted about it. However, I find it to be rather unnecessary to correct speculation that was clearly presented as speculation, which was the bulk of those posts.

Mr. Schneider won because the Plaintiffs Lawyers we unsuccessful in establishing the delinquency in context of the statute, there was no mistake involved, they tried but the judge did not agree.

The statute says that you cannot be delinquent in your taxes on the last day you can file to run for office. Well, according to the Department of Revenue and their records he was not delinquent on that date. They did determine he was delinquent when this issue came up and issued a bill to that effect which he paid.

Councilperson Conlon's petition was neither a "dirty trick" nor factually inaccurate on the practical level. Where the petition failed was on the legal language level, which we all know is rarely practical.

I had issues with this action being taken without contacting Councilperson Schneider first. I also have an issue with Councilperson Schneider calling this suit a "dirty trick" and using it in his campaign when there was a legitimate issue involved. As I see it, this case was a looser for both of these candidates.

As for the speculative discussions we had prior to the case applied, I disagree. Obviously the statutes and issues we raised with them applied. Also, the response from the DOR to my questions was strangely matter of fact and practical by comparison to the DOR in the courtroom. I guess the rules are simple until the lawyers and the courts get involved then everyone circles the wagon.

Whatever you issue is with me my friend it is up to you to resolve it. I am not likely to change how I approach the issues or how I present information here. If your opinion is that the content here is not worth your time then that's your call and I hope you find a source of information more to your liking. If not, well you can always keep reading here if for no other reason that to chastise me as feedback that does not include foul language is always welcome. :-)

 

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